There is, and has been for quite some time, quite a divide between avid PC users and Mac users. It’s a divide that I have always found interesting, and never put a lot of my own emotion behind. I like what I like, and I don’t really care what other people like. If it works for them, awesome. I like what works for me.

But after I published my somewhat neutral review of the MacBook Pro, my friend Tam (who uses Microsoft, Linux and Apple systems all interchangeably) still thought I was too easy on the MacBook. We had quite a conversation, and I thought it would be worth sharing.

Tam (after first watching the review): At first you sounded like a fanboy, and first six minutes was hard to listen to. And then at around minute eight, I was like where are you going with this? And then you finally started talking about the bads.

Jaron: You did what was expected of you, which I said early on with, “Microsoft fans are going to tune out now.” It’s funny how you can’t even control it, you refuse to see the good in something, even if there is good. Yes, the machine makes a lot of mistakes, but it does a list of things right as well. In the end, I like it but i don’t love it because the product itself doesn’t really know who it is for.

Tam: But you refuse to see something bad, because its made by Apple. “It has no ports, it has a battery issue, it has this and that, but its okay, I’ll get used to it”

Jaron: I thought I covered pretty obviously that except for the keyboard, the screen, and the way it handles, there was a lot wrong with the machine. I even go into how the lack of an SD reader got “real” for me while on a job. I’m not going to sit here and slam them repeatedly for these things, because that has happened enough already by other reviewers. I tried to say something new about it, which I hope I accomplished.

Tam: True.

Jaron: So I was as fair as possible, even ending on a “there is too much wrong here” note.

Tam: But every time one of these “reviews” things comes up, the very common theme with Apple product is “it sucks, but I’ll get used to it.” Like, many people refuse to even acknowledge any other products (not you).

Jaron: I did my best to explain that mentality to those who don’t get it. Apple fans are chasing that OS. The OS is so important we will put up with insane, even maddening things.

Tam: It’s… not. I’m jumping between Windows and Linux and Apple and I’m fine

Jaron: To you. To apple users, it’s so important. Your primary use on a machine is one of an engineer, not a designer. Though you are a photographer, you’re not primarily an artist.

Tam: But then at the end you said it doesn’t work for any of those people

Jaron: Correct. It tries too hard to appeal to an amorphous “everyone.”

Tam: Soooooo it sucks! And you refuse to look for an alternative

Jaron: I didn’t say that. I’ve said a couple times I’m more open to an alternative than ever before.

Tam: You didn’t say you would either.

Jaron: (Laughs) True. Because so far I have not found something I love, from anyone. I love my desktop computer, and dislike doing anything on anything else now. Which… sucks.

Tam: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like my iPhone 7 anymore, but there are no alternatives… and trust me, I have tried other products. So I buy the iPhone, not because I chase the high (like you mention in your review), but because I want a product that fucking works the way it’s supposed to.

Jaron: I think once USB-C comes out fully, and is fully embraced by all across the board, that then it will matter less. Right now all my peripherals work on Apple cabling, which makes it hard to go with a non-Apple product as a laptop.

Tam: You can’t even dump stuff from an SD card! How is that pro?

Jaron: It sucks. Totally. And I mentioned how much that sucked. Generally, it doesn’t matter when I’m working alone because I shoot on CFAST and nothing has a build-in reader for that, but when I’m with a group it does indeed suck.

Tam: And then just now you more or less said “maybe another year or two, I’ll get used to it.”

Jaron: With regards to the USB-C thing? What I do think is that when USB-C is universal across platforms, I’ll be able to easily work on a laptop that’s a PC and my home machine which is a Mac because the peripherals will all be using the same ports and plugs. Right now that’s complicated by a lack of connectivity between them. Ironically, the same issue i have with the iPhone 7 and the MacBook Pro.

Tam: I’m not saying you’re a sheeple fanboy, but you failed to mention some of those points in the review. I don’t see how a USB-C universality would help your SD card issue, nor the 16 GB of RAM max, nor the weak ass CPU, nor the battery issues, nor the emoji bar.

Jaron: Well, it would allow me to buy a laptop that has all the ports like that, and keep using my Mac desktop and have every peripheral I own still work. What i’m saying is that it would allow me to more easily accept a non-Mac alternative. Right now my systems are still not unified, even in the Mac ecosystem, thanks to the new MacBook Pro. Which goes back to me saying I am now more open to a non-mac laptop than I have ever been since unity was a big deal to me, and Apple has sort of unplugged that themselves. Which, mentally, makes me even more ready to move on.

Tam: So you’re saying you would move on?

Jaron: (Laughs) I’m saying there is a chance, yes.

So where do you stand? I’m sure that won’t make for a polarizing comments thread…

  • aloshka

    Amazing, thank you. Finally helped me word what I was feeling.

    • Who, me or Jaron?

      • aloshka

        Jaron.

        The typical “best computer in the world and you are using it wrong and what’s wrong with having to buy an adapter for everything and why aren’t you happy with less memory and last years processor” isn’t much of an argument anymore. Something doesn’t feel right anymore, and it’s not all specs and design anymore… and Jaron finally nails what I’ve been feeling.

        NO ONE is a bigger iSheep than me.. or was.

        The iSheep are starting to wake up, now I’m starting to see some really exciting things from other competitors. And the backlash now is, well, others are starting to innovative, why isn’t apple?

        I know it wasn’t your comment, but just clarifying what I meant. Not starting a mac vs pc war or iphone or whatever else comes to mind. The review vibed with me and I left a comment to let the reviewer know that I know how he feels and I agree 100%.. finally.

  • bryancalexander

    Omg. It’s an amazing laptop and it’s being ripped to shreds in these reviews. I have no complaints so far and much to rave about. What’s the big deal about using an adapter? Why is that the end of the world for some people? And as for 16GB RAM, it is more than enough for most and is a limitation of the intel processor used, not a self-imposed limitation by Apple. I could never work for Apple because I’d give up on trying to please all the haters out there.